From the first moments of his first campaign for president, Donald Trump has accused immigrants of fraudulently obtaining public benefits, immigration protections, and even votes. Does any of this hold up under scrutiny?

We asked Sonya Schwartz, who knows more than just about anyone about the complex intersection of immigration, public benefits, and voting laws. She has the data to debunk all three of MAGA’s big lies about immigrants and fraud, and how this scapegoating leads to policies that harm all of us – from millions of families losing food assistance to voter ID laws that would block U.S. citizens from the polls. Meanwhile, some of the country’s worst actual fraudsters are getting pardoned instead of prosecuted.

In This Episode

  1. Introduction to Sonya Schwartz
  2. The slanderous narrative about immigrants committing fraud
  3. Allegations of welfare fraud
  4. Trump calls a whole community “garbage”
  5. The State Dept. bans immigration from 75 countries
  6. Which immigrants are actually eligible for which public benefits?
  7. Lightning round Q&A on undocumented immigrants and welfare
  8. U.S. citizens are going hungry after Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill”
  9. Cutting off temporary support for refugees
  10. Who are the real perpetrators of public benefits fraud?
  11. Allegations of voter fraud
  12. What would happen if the SAVE Act passed?
  13. Allegations of immigration fraud
  14. Gérard Depardieu and sham marriages
  15. Trump’s lenience with actual fraudsters
  16. What is to be done?
  17. Conclusion